In the following chapters you will be navigated through a story of a particular Right People (RIPE) framework implementation. The true names are exchanged and some details left out. Note that RIPE being a framework can be implemented in many ways depending on the respective context and the problem to solve.
You are invited to study the framework first to have a smooth read through the story: Explore the main concepts such as Topic Backlog so that you have a rough idea how they work when you hit them in course of the story. If you do not understand the framework fully, stay calm, you have only started reading the book.
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Maybe you are not only interested in how the Right People framework works but also keen to know why it works. In such case you will enjoy chapters which follow, after the story comes to an end in the Part II of this book.
At the end of each chapter, you will find I callout with supporting thoughts, questions to answer or little tasks to do. They are supposed to strengthen your understanding and to transfer your insights right away to your reality.
Now, take a deep breath and dive in.
We call ourselves knowledge workers, yet we work in organizations that are hostile to deep thinking. We try to escape pyramids for the sake of business agility by repainting them by curvy shapes and fancy names. We shy away from direct communication hiding us in boxes made of assumptions and ego.
It is time to admit that most of the complexity is homemade. It’s time we shape scaled organizations that truly nurture deep thinking and bring the right people together to tap collective organizational knowledge for a stronger alignment and better and faster decisions. It’s time to rethink scaling.
In the following chapters you will be navigated through a story of a particular Right People (RIPE) framework implementation. The true names are exchanged and some details left out. Note that RIPE being a framework can be implemented in many ways depending on the respective context and the problem to solve.
Written by Vladimir Riecicky the creator of the Right People framework
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Yes, this is the first callout for you. It is time for some deep thinking.
The Host once authorized by the Sponsor is the only formal authority all along the RIPE loop. That means, hierarchy levels and all formal positions including the one of the CEO are in the RIPE context subordinated to the Host. Of course, this not the case outside the RIPE context.
What happens at your company after a c-level executive joins some conversation?
If people start automatically nodding suppressing their argument and hiding their emotions due to the c-level authority in the room your company is in the state of a management-disconnect. In such state where the highest-ranking person's view dominates over data and arguments it is nearly impossible to safely navigate through challenges of a complex environment.
What is the obstacles c-level executives face when trying to overcome such disconnect?
The role of Host is a balancing instrument to remove this flaw from the decision-making process. The key insight is this: A disconnect is a two-sided issue so you need a third party authorized to handle this situation.
My name is Peter, and I am a software engineer. Oh, this sounds like an opening sentence in a self-help group meeting. It shouldn’t. Probably, this comes from the hard time, I have gone through lately. My company was a place rich on interaction so to say. Not in a positive sense, however. My days used to be randomly filled with meetings of a likewise random quality. To be frank, most of the time they were pretty useless. I felt constantly distracted and couldn’t get much deep thinking done. I kept feeling sorry sprint by sprint for not delivering the output I was supposed to, and my Scrum Master couldn’t help with this impediment too. He used to argue that this was beyond our control. All right, now it feels like a self-help group meeting. Sorry for that, I just feel better getting this out me.
Long story short, I quit this job and joined another company two weeks ago. The guy who interviewed me brought up an argument I couldn’t resist. They recently made some bold change to their meetings structure. He called it Right People framework, and my take was something like this: The new magic liberates you from an obligation to attend useless meetings because somebody imposed them on you (no matter if you like it or not).
It sounded too good to be true. The guy was really into this, or he was good at selling. Either way, I decided for the option one and here I am. The guy whose place I took has left the company just because of meeting overload as I learned later. It seems like he wasn’t by far the only one who was sick and tired of a never-ending meeting madness. So, the new framework was hardly a fancy experiment of organizational development but a carefully designed strategic move towards employee retention.
We surveyed 182 senior managers in a range of industries: 65% said meetings keep them from completing their own work. 71% said meetings are unproductive and inefficient. 64% said meetings come at the expense of deep thinking.
Stop the Meeting Madness
How to free up time for meaningful work by Leslie A. Perlow, Constance Noonan Hadley and Eunice Eun
Harvard Business Review (July–August 2017)
Do you know this feeling of sitting in a meeting, watching the scene and desperately wishing you were somewhere else? Your notebook is open, and you are trying to get some real work done because otherwise you are doomed to after-hours at cost of the people and the things you love outside the office. You feel angry and helpless at the same time because you know that the other meetings to follow are going to feel the same.
Just image you are allowed to do some deep thinking and if you do attend a meeting, you do so out of your free will. To be at meetings feels efficient and engaging.
A week ago, I attended my very first PI Planning at my new company and my new job felt all right. In fact, next to agile team events I was not invited to any meeting so far. I was happy about this but deep inside, was hoping this was not because I am a newbie yet. Also, I was on mission of a high management attention because the respective technical integration of our core system with SAP was a strategic step to our company.
You probably guess that now this story is going take a turn. You are right. My development environment was configured, and all tooling was ready to use. Let’s rock then! The sprint goal was stated very clearly: Prove a technical feasibility of SAP’s invoice service. I started to play with the interface according to the requirement. However, soon after this turned out to be quite a mess. The service was not accepting my parameters and if it did, in return it threw on me all error messages you can think of. So, I tried harder. The errors kept jumping at me even wilder. It was time to step back and think about getting some help on this. I travelled with me finger over the org-chart, looking for some shared service team, or for some architecture guys. There we go! A box called Platform Team smiled at me from the bottom of the org-chart. A few moments later I put some lyrics down to an invitation for the head of this team asking for support on SAP issues with invoice service: I face some problems with SAP invoice service and need some support to resolve them. Thank you in advance for your help.
It was surprisingly easy to find a time-slot with this guy, so I took my chance. I was proud of me because normally I would have spent days in search for a solution before I would reach out for a helping hand. With this feeling I left for lunch.
After lunch and a nice cup of coffee, I returned to my desk. To my big surprise my invite had been cancelled! Inside of the cancellation notice stood a short but clear message: Please submit this issue to the Topic Backlog. Thanks.
What was wrong with my invite? How he only dares to decline it? I felt offended, I felt disappointed, and above all, I felt left alone with my problem. At this point I decided to do, what I am supposed to do when I feel blocked. I reach out to our Scrum Master Lea, expecting a speech about this being beyond the circle of our control and so forth. Instead, she pointed me politely to the landing page of the Right People framework: Don’t feel bad about this Peter. The thing is, we do not conduct meetings to resolve cross-cutting issues anymore. Instead, we have a central Topic Backlog, where we collect all such issues to be processed in RIPE Sprints. I didn’t feel much better but at least I knew what to do next – go and find out how this Right People framework (RIPE) works.
On my way home, I was thinking about how deeply it hurts to receive a cancellation of an invite. Normally you are obliged to accept a meeting invite if your agenda permits. It's difficult to accept when someone turns down your invitation. On the other hand, it takes some courage too, to decline an invitation just like that.
How many times a day are you stuck with some question you need to answer urgently but people who might help are not available?
You are left with a choice to wait until those right people are available and miss the deadline or to make up some answer based on your limited knowledge. None of the choices feels all right. You pick your poison.
Just imagine, that the system makes sure you get in touch with the right people regularly and you are no more forced to make the above unfair choice.
In the next morning, I was over it. The next few hours were dedicated to my self-study of the RIPE lading page. To my big surprise, what I found was a one-pager with a very brief description of how the Right People framework works. It took me no more than 10 minutes to go through it. I learned how to submit a Topic to the Topic Backlog, and I also learned that RIPE Sprints are conducted every Thursday and how they worked.
So, I sat down and described the problem with the invoice service roughly and submitted the Topic to the Topic Backlog according to the description from the landing page. Piece of cake. I need to say thank you to Lea for pointing me to this stuff.
Few moments later, I received a notice from Herbie telling me that my Topic does not qualify for a RIPE Sprint. What is wrong with this company? In there a hidden camera somewhere recording the scene? Probably they are testing my resilience and probably this is a standard procedure to get to know how newbies handle frustrating moments. I was indeed frustrated, I started to question myself, and I couldn’t believe this is happening for real. Who was this Herbie anyway!?
The only person, who seemed not to refuse me yet was Lea. So, I decided to go and see her again. She asked me with her patient voice: You have carefully gone through the description of the Right People framework, haven’t you? Few moments later I found myself reading the brief one-pager again, but this time more carefully. It stated very clearly that a Topic needs to fulfill a so-called Definition of Ready (DoR) criteria to be qualified for a RIPE Sprint. One of the criteria requested to formulate the Topic by stating one or more well formulated key questions to be answered to resolve the Topic. Oh boy, my Topic hardly contained any key questions. I need to calm down, and re-phrase the Topic according to the Definition of Ready.
Asking the right questions is not easy. It forces you to get ready for an interaction and gives the invited party an opportunity to get prepared. So, putting down key questions is the best way to verbalize expectations to the outcome of the respective meeting. According to the Right People framework, if and only if all the key questions are answered, the outcome of the meeting is positive. What the framework prescribes made a lot of sense to me. However, it took me some deep thinking to come up with the following key questions:
Which version of the invoice service is the one to integrate?
Where do I find the best description of the interface semantics?
What is the meaning of the Error-Code 4321?
Read the f… manual (RTFM) came to my mind as was submitting the Topic again.
How or what at your company makes sure that every meeting is well prepared? This is left over to the inviting person.
How many times you are invited to a poorly prepared meeting but you have no courage to decline the invite? Maybe because the invite comes from your boss or from your body and you don't want to put that relationship at risk.
Just imagine, you would be liberated from this dilemma because meeting invites would be checked for quality centrally.
It was Thursday morning, and I was on the call of my first RIPE Sprint. My Topic was one of 20 Topics selected to be processed on that day. At around 8:30am it was my turn to pitch the Topic. My voice was little bit shaking but I managed to get the message through thought there were 250 people on the call. It was easy because I didn’t need to improvise due to prepared key questions.
After the last pitch was over, Herbie invited all of us attending to vote for the most important Session. In a few moments we had a prioritized list of Sessions to process on that they. The Right People framework calls such day a RIPE Sprint and the respective list of Sessions a RIPE Sprint Backlog, which fits very nicely.
Thereafter, Herbie placed the Sessions from the RIPE Sprint Backlog on the agenda of the day, one by one, making sure no Session is conflicting with some other due to People willing to attend both. In such case the respective people were supposed to raise their voice immediately.
I assumed the guy from the Platform team will opt-in for my Session and we will have a one-on-one meeting. However, completely different people did, including the CIO! Yes, the CIO was interested to understand the issue and willing to provide her support. My Session has been prioritized very high because this SAP integration was a prestigious mission of a high management attention. Frankly, I was little nervous to have the CIO in the Session thought.
We ended up with 5 tracks and 6 time-slots. That means, we had 5 virtual rooms in parallel to host Sessions, scheduled for 9:00am, 10:00am, 11:00am, 1:00pm, 2:00pm and 3:00pm. The agenda showing the table of tracks (in columns) and time-slots (in rows) was a wiki-page accessible to all so that everyone can navigate through the day in its own way.
At 9:00am the Session started. A Track Host (facilitator of each Session in the given track) took over facilitation and he did just great. I was asked to explain the issue in some more depth and the Session took off. Long story short, in the end all the key questions have been answered. I have learned that there was an enabling team dealing with SAP interfaces which took up operations just lately. The guy from this team demonstrated his profound knowledge about the interface and committed to join my team on this mission.
The CIO, Alexa, took her chance to ask this guy how the cooperation with our SAP technology supplier worked so far. He was searching for the right words to express his doubt that we wouldn’t reach our goals unless the supplier was going to get moving faster in supporting us. Alexa wanted to understand more. At that point the Track Host interrupted and invited her to submit the respective Topic to the Topic Backlog. Alexa nodded and asked the Track Host in turn to invite the supplier to attend future RIPE Sprints. The Track Host was little embarrassed to admit that this was a very sound step to take, and he should have thought of this before.
I must say that our CIO is not only demanding but also, she is a very friendly and truly supportive person. She was thankful for my initiative and encouraged me to bring up any issues I might run into in the future just like I did this case. It was nice to hear this appreciation, and I left the Session feeling happy and full of engagement.
On the same day I chose to opt-in for another Session too. The Session aimed at clarification of some issues on messaging technology. In there I could provide my expertise from my former job and believe it or not I was probably the main reason to answering the key questions.
The rest of the day I spend on my sprint because the rest of Sessions where nothing I could truly contribute too. Also, I knew I was not going to miss out anything because at the end of the day, a Check-out was scheduled. At Check-out, the outcome of all the Sessions is presented. So, I joined the call at 4:00pm to catch up. Of course, as a Topic Owner I had a part too. I was supposed to explain the outcome of my Session and to answer any questions of understanding. As I did so, Lydia from our purchasing team asked to be involved at the planned Sessions with the supplier. The CIO Alexa invited her to provide the key questions from the purchasing perspective for the Topic to be submitted. Herbie added that Lydia is as everybody else invited to opt-in for the Session once the Topic makes it to a RIPE Sprint.
Not every Session ended with a positive outcome. In such case Herbie took the respective Topic back to the Topic Backlog to be processed at some of the future RIPE Sprints. No drama.
What a day! This is what I call engagement by freedom (to opt-in). This is how true engagement comes into life. This is how alignment by collaboration kills silo thinking. This is how it feels to meet C-level on eye-level when it comes down to clarifying stuff for the sake of value flow.
Have you noticed that a conversation under people coming together out of their free will is filled with engagement and positive energy?
Just imagine, that every meeting in your company would be of such kind. Meetings would no longer be an imposed burden but a delight.
Also imagine that every meeting is led by a skilled facilitator how makes sure all the positive energy will be channeled towards the desired outcome.
The next day I went to Lea to say thank you. I was still impressed and flashed by the stuff which happened the other day. I told her that I understood the role of Herbie. He holds the organization back purposely because otherwise RIPE Sprint would get flooded with poorly prepared Topics of unclear expectations. This is a typical problem of conventional meetings.
Another problem of conventional meetings is poor or event missing facilitation. With RIPE it was not surprising that facilitation was great. A Track Host is facilitating many Sessions in a row which is the best way to acquired such skill.
One question kept me busy still: What if I do not opt-in for a Session and at the Check-out, I am not happy with some decision thereof? Lea smiled back at me and explained that in case I wouldn’t opt-in, I would express my trust to those colleagues who would attend the Session and therefore I was going to accept every decision they might take, no matter if I liked it or not. I argued that in some cases the decision might be wrong still. She smiled again and explained that I in such case was invited to submit a Topic to reconsider such a decision. But until this Topic hits a RIPE Sprint, the decision was going to stay in charge.
This is nothing but a true face of our culture of trust, she added. At that moment I reflected my objection and saw another bad smell of my former company, where decisions lasted until they were over-ruled in some way, somewhere, somehow. So, the Right People framework provides a binding governance for our decision-making process I stated. Now you get it Peter, Leo confirmed.
Talking about trust, what happens if somebody wants to attend every Session? In such case you would end up with a single track, wouldn’t you? Lea seemed to expect this question: Yes, you would, and everybody would witness such behavior at agenda setting in the morning. At the end of the day, such a guy would set the pace of the value flow inside the company. Not by pulling strings behind the scenes but directly on the stage, where everybody including the top-management is watching. Instead of resolving 20 Topics weekly, we would maybe resolve 5 only and hold back the delivery at 25% because of pending decisions. Do you think, such behavior would survive? I understood. This system is self-optimizing and a behavior like this would hardly be tolerated.
I also realized that a Topic Backlog is a great source of information to management including C-Level. It reflects all the issues the organization is facing. Day by day, week by week. These issues expose the naked truth (no filter inside) because they come from all over the organization and bypass a bottom-up filter of the pyramid. This way management has got a chance to feel the pulse of the entire organization and grasp the true challenge people are confronted with.
In the end I understood why it is not efficient to organize meetings both out of my local need and out of my local knowledge. It needs a Herbie and all the simple but powerful mechanisms of the Right People framework to make sure that the whole organization stays aligned to the overall priorities.
And my truly breathtaking insight? This organization literally changes its shape every Thursday. Depending on the Topics to process and depending on the people who chose to opt-in the organization re-groups entirely driven by the respective needs (Topics) and constraints (involve the right people during a RIPE Sprint). Most importantly, the opt-in principle makes sure the whole-group event of the RIPE Sprint stays highly efficient. Nobody spends a minute longer in meetings than needed! This stuff is truly game-changing.
In the end, the RIPE framework logic is designed to absorb complexity:
Topic Backlog: Liberate people form meetings-overload so that they stop keeping each other busy for no reason (This is the key inter-relationship in scaled organizations to fix)
Definition of Ready: If there is a problem, don’t rush into quick local optimization but verbalize the problem by stating the respective key questions and share this reality across the company
RIPE Sprint: Bring the right people across the company together to understand the root cause of the problem and the relationships between the respective effects
RIPE Session: Take an aligned, profound and authorized decision right away
Check-out: Inform about the decision and explain it if necessary to stay on the same page across the entire organization
Walking back to my desk I was thinking about the role artificial intelligence might play in this. Just imagine a one-pager report for the CEO summarizing the Topic Backlog of the past week, past month, past year. That would probably uncover many chronic issues and pain points to address at the executive level.
Now it was time for a nice glass of wine watching a beautiful sunset. The radio plays Franky Sinatra with his I did it my way and … Okay, now it sounds like a sweet movie ending. It shouldn’t but I couldn’t help myself.
Whole group meeting such as Big Room Planning or PI Planning are meant to be very costly events. For this and only for this reason they are conducted quarterly.
However, quarter is far too long period to keep aligned in the complex and fast turning world.
Just imagine you would conduct your PI Planning using the RIPE framework. Due to efficiency of the framework you would afford to run the event on higher cadence.
Your planning batch would become smaller and your value flow would therefore get stronger.
In addition, both employee engagement and employee accountability would grow.
How would you power your PI Planning by RIPE? Note that the framework comes with a proven set of use cases for SAFe (TM) to reshape your scaled events instantly.
It is Friday. Peter as well as other recent hires enter a casual lunch setup in the company cafeteria. The CEO, Michael, is standing with a group of employees as part of a monthly initiative to connect directly with the team. One of the employees, Sarah, a product manager from a cross-functional team, takes the opportunity to stand next to him. Peter follows the conversation closely.
Sarah: Thanks for doing this, Michael. It’s not every day we get to chat over a sandwich with the CEO.
Michael (smiling): Happy to be here, Sarah. These lunches are some of the best parts of my calendar—no slides, no Zoom fatigue, just real conversation.
Sarah: So, what keeps you busy these days—beyond the usual mountain of meetings?
Michael (chuckling): Well, you just named one of them—meetings. But it’s more than just being busy; what’s been really occupying my mind lately is a chronic challenge we’ve had for a while: meeting overload, poor decision-making processes, and siloed thinking.
Sarah: Sounds familiar. At my former company they’ve tried a few reorganizations over the years, but they never really stuck.
Michael: We’ve been through a similar journey here too. That’s what frustrated me. We’ve reorganized several times, hoping a new structure would magically fix these problems. But it didn’t. Because no matter how you slice an org chart, the need to align the parts never goes away. And unfortunately, new structures quickly become new silos anyway.
Sarah: So how are you thinking about it now?
Michael: I started looking for something fundamentally different—not just another restructure. I stumbled upon Kotter’s idea of a dual operating system, which was intriguing. The idea of running a network alongside the hierarchy made sense. But when we tried to translate that into something actionable... we hit a wall.
Sarah: Not surprised. It’s hard to implement abstract frameworks in a day-to-day reality. What seems like a good idea at the first glance is not quite the same after trying it out under real conditions.
Michael: Absolutely. Then—almost by accident—I came across something called the Right People framework. And it clicked. Unlike other approaches, this one doesn’t try to fix everything with new reporting lines. It focuses on clarity and cross-cutting collaboration, not control.
Sarah (leaning in): How so?
Michael: The framework separates two things:
Creating clarity and alignment across silos, and
Taking action, which stays with the accountable teams.
What struck me was that we’re not bad at execution—but we’re slow at alignment. That’s where we lose time and energy. Everyone's working hard, but not always in the same direction, or with the same understanding.
Sarah: That resonates. Sometimes I feel like we spend more time syncing with other teams than actually building things.
Michael: Exactly. The issue isn’t laziness or incompetence—it’s the structure itself. It makes it hard to tap into collective knowledge quickly. Messages going up and down the hierarchy get filtered, distorted. Assumptions creep in. By the time a decision is made, it's often based on incomplete or outdated information.
Sarah: So how does this framework solve that?
Michael: As it says in the name, It brings the right people together—not the "most senior," not the "official owners"—but those with relevant insights, regardless of their function. And it happens in time-boxed “RIPE Sprints”. These groups don’t execute solutions; they create shared clarity on cross-cutting issues. That clarity then flows back to the accountable teams to act on.
Sarah: No re-org? That almost sounds too good to be true.
Michael (smiling): That’s what I thought at first. But that’s the beauty of it—it’s a no-regret move. You don’t mess with reporting lines or existing SAFe structures. And because the topics go into a shared “RIPE Sprint Backlog” ahead of time, there’s transparency. If a sensitive or inappropriate topic sneaks in, I can spot it before it goes live and make sure it's handled the right way.
Sarah: That must take a lot of trust, though.
Michael: It does. But it builds more trust in return. And interestingly, I noticed a flavor of Theory of Constraints in the whole thing. Remember the book The Goal?
Sarah: Yeah! We read it in our Lean workshop last year.
Michael: Then you’ll get this: the framework surfaces the bottlenecks—not in production, but in thinking and alignment. It lets us work on what really blocks value flow.
Sarah: How does it play with the Scaled Agile Framework? You have invested a lot into that I’ve heard.
Michael: That was one of my first concerns. But it actually complements SAFe well. It doesn’t replace Agile Release Trains or the hierarchy—it enhances them. You can use the Right People framework to solve alignment issues that PI Planning doesn’t fully address. In fact, two weeks after a PI Planning many considerations become obsolete and the plan loses track. The world keeps turning after a PI Planning and it is turning fast.
Sarah: You run RIPE Sprints weekly. Is it not too much of an invest. I mean the whole organization comes together once a week, similarly to a PI Planning.
Michael First of all, it would be mistaken to compare a conventional SAFe PI Planning to a RIPE Sprint. At a RIPE Sprint, people opt in for Sessions, so they only attend, if they are willing to contribute. The only timeslot everybody shall attend is Pitch and plan, which takes no more than 20 minutes and a Check-out at the end of the day. So, nobody spends a minute being unproductive.
Still, we were concerned with this. It was hard to tell how many topics were going to come up once we start inviting the people to bring their issues. We decided to start with a weekly cadence and adjust it as we go. At the beginning we had a high number of issues piling up but once we processed this legacy - so to speak – the numbers went down at a level we can well process weekly.
To have this number alone has been game-changing to us because until we implemented the RIPE framework, we had no clear indication of a need for alignment. Now, if we re-organize and this number Topics trends up then we know the re-organization was a mistake - the new org-chart introduced additional dependencies. It is as simple as that.
Sarah: That’s promising. So, what’s been the outcome so far?
Michael: Several, actually. Decisions are faster and better informed. Silo thinking is fading—people are collaborating across boundaries in ways we hadn’t seen before. But the biggest win? Employee engagement. People feel heard, included, and valued—not because we say it, but because the system demonstrates it during every RIPE Sprint.
Peter: Let me add to this. I have made a RIPE experience recently. It was nice to see that once you do not impose meetings and let people opt in for a session they are willing to contribute at, you end up with a level of engagement I have never seen before. Also, I was surprised to see how many people reached out to provide their helping hand. Now I understand what it means to tap the collective knowledge of a company. It means everything!
Sarah: I am impressed. It's rare to see such a bold positive outcome.
Michael: Exactly. No re-org fatigue, no expensive tools, no costly certifications, no army of consultants. Just better conversations for faster and smarter decisions. As a side-effect, no more siloed thinking and last but not least for me as an executive leader the best way to stay on pulse of the company and engage wherever it might help. Of course, I am also obliged to submit a Topic to the RIPE Topic Backlog if I have a cross-cutting issue to resolve.
Sarah: I’ve got the feeling there is some missing piece there, you haven’t told me about yet.
Michael (nodding): I am glad you’re asking. In fact, there is.
We are neither allowed to invite to a meeting for a cross-cutting issue, nor allowed to accept such an invite. Because all such issues belong to the RIPE Topic Backlog to be processed at some RIPE Sprint. This the way how we have stopped meeting overload for good.
In addition, we are not allowed to overrule any decision taken in a RIPE Sprint unless we do this in some of the future RIPE Sprint. So to speak, what is decided in a RIPE Sprint can only be revisited in a RIPE Sprint. No bypassing allowed.
Sarah (smiling): Now I get the magic. I think I have several topics for the RIPE Topic Backlog, which I couldn’t resolve until now because I did not know who might help on them. This is a kind of a burden to me. Now, I look forward to the next RIPE Sprint to have them finally clarified. Yay!
Michael (laughing): That’s the goal. Taking decisions and creating clarity shall be something enjoyable and not a burden.
The conversation continues with a lighter tone as dessert is served, but the message sticks: transformation doesn’t always need to start with structure. Sometimes, it starts with getting the right people in the room.
To be a C-level executive is not easy. You are confronted with a bottom-up collected and carefully filtered information. At the same time your teams are asking for more autonomy and for better decision-making process.
You are trying to avoid bypassing your direct reports and you love every minute spend talking with people from the operations because they have the best market knowledge and usually great business ideas to share.
Just imagine you would have this kind of conversation with the right people weekly, on issues which keep you and them busy, without filter and without being afraid to bypass anybody.
Maybe you are not only interested in how the framework works but also keen to know why it works. In such case you will enjoy chapters which follow. In there you will find the theoretical foundation of the RIPE framework and how it relates to other theories you might know already. Take a deep breath now and dive into the theory of the Right People framework.
As Albert Einstein once stated, you cannot solve problems by thinking which has caused them. Following up on this statement we invite you to re-think the prevalent ideas driving the management system of today’s enterprises.
For this purpose, we build a new mental model of management reality to both articulate the problem and recognize the solution. We invite you to use two colors to indicate two capabilities each enterprise needs to master:
Red: Ownership and enforcement
Blue: Business agility and delivery speed at scale
We clearly recognize the importance of both. So, this is not about one over the other. We embrace the red, and we embrace the blue but each of them for a different reason. Markets do not care about your internal distribution of decision rights (red) but they care about how fast and how agile you deliver value (blue). However, any agile speedy move (blue), no matter how smart is worthless unless the respective decision is enforced to take an effect (red).
Enterprises around the world have been using the red management system for over decades very successfully. This system is based on the old paradigm of divide and conquer: Once a company grows larger, divide it up into smaller and thus manageable parts. Make sure these parts have a well-defined boundary (ownership) and distribute the decision rights the way that each owner is authorized to manage the respective part (enforcement). This is where pyramid like org charts come from.
Try to get a picture of how the blue reality of your company works: Take your (red) org-chart and draw a (blue) line on it which shows the way how a typical decision-making process works from the very beginning to the very end.
Include all your management boards and any coordination meetings.
How long is the line? Does it have any loops along the way? Does it have any forks, where a single line turns into two or more concurrent ones taking an own way each eventually not coming together at the end?
The main problem encoded inside the red system is decision-making process at the enterprise level (across pyramid) when it comes down to responding to a quickly changing complex environment, faster and smarter than competitors do.
This capability is also called business agility at scale. Let’s take a closer look at the above-mentioned decision-making process. This process consists of the following logical steps:
Recognize a need for a response coordinated (aligned) across the pyramid
Prioritize the need with respect to the other needs
Decide which action shall be taken
Enforce the decision for the sake of the desired impact
The last step is well covered by the red management system. Remember, the red is designed for ownership and enforcement.
The first three steps, however, are the domain of blue. Clearly, they can only be mastered by an appropriate interaction across the pyramid to both tap the collective knowledge of the organization and gain buy-in. As an enterprise grows, such interaction becomes increasingly challenging.
Conventional scaling frameworks advocate great methods, canvases and practice. However, even the best canvas in the world is worthless unless the right people use it to co-create response to the respective business need. We strongly believe that these scaling frameworks have underestimated the value of interaction patterns, which in turn is the very reason why they have been failing to delivery on promise of business agility at scale.
Who and how recognizes a need for an alignment across teams and org-levels at your company? In case this is managers based on some reporting then you are likely to witness disconnect between management and the operative reality.
How do you make sure decisions on cross-cutting issues are fueled by the collective knowledge of your company and how do you make sure the right people are involved? In case you use your reporting lines for this purpose, your decision-making process is likely to slow and the decisions taken lack support.
This is the two interaction patterns which has been designed and cultivated inside enterprise reality for over decades:
Asynchronous communication: Sending (email) messages and posting content in all sorts of collaboration tools
Synchronous (in person) communication: Re-occurring or an ad hoc meeting where people from different parts of the pyramid come together to get aligned
Asynchronous communication is a very tempting option because technology of the digital age we are living in makes is easy to compose and deliver any message to many people instantly. The downside of an asynchronous communication is obvious. Inboxes are flooded by messages and notifications day in day out. To recognize the important ones and to ignore the rest is more than impossible. Even if you are lucky to make the right choice, you still need to understand the story it tells. It is incredibly easy to miss the point. You reach back with your answer, and the same movie goes on at the other side generating additional traffic and eventually leading to interpersonal tensions out of misinterpretation of a written word.
So, it is in many cases better and emotionally safer to talk in person. This is what meetings are good for.
Do you also find it tempting to write an email instead of grabbing a phone because don't want to end up hanging on the phone trapped in a lengthy conversation hard to escape?
Just imagine this trap would be taken care of by the system so that you would be no longer exposed to this dilemma.
The way how large enterprises make use of meetings is far from efficient. Both re-occurring and ad hoc meetings fall short for the purpose of business agility at scale.
Re-occurring meetings are, by design, gatherings of a fix group of people (can be only two) with a fixed meeting agenda at some level of the pyramid. They are also known under a fancy name - sync. Attendees of such meetings are representatives of the respective parts of the pyramid below. Top-down orders are spoken and information collected bottom-up is shared. At the time when such information reaches the meeting, it has been carefully filtered due to an agency problem - a fundamental conflict of interest in any relationship where one party, the agent, is entrusted to act on behalf of another party, the principal, but instead prioritizes their own interests over the principal's- and eventually completely misunderstood due to multiple hand-overs on the way from the origin to the top of the pyramid.
Both problems with re-occurring meetings are well known. To foster honest and direct communication, ad hoc meetings come into play. Paradoxically, the main problem of ad hoc meetings is their nature: Freedom for everyone to invite anyone to anything anytime. This unwritten rule is so deeply rooted in a corporate reality that nobody even questions it.
Let’s think about it little more. This rule opens a big opportunity for local optimization: If you have an issue to resolve, you only can guess which people are the right people to invite. So, you will send out the invite to more people than it really needs in a hope that they will help. Since this is an obvious behavior of the most people inside the organization, meeting invitations keep flooding all the agendas across the enterprise, imposing a context-switch out of hopping from one (useless) meeting to the other. This dynamic is all driven by local optimization: The one who invites wants to have the respective problem solved, no matter if the problem qualifies for the top of the corporate agenda that day!
From the above-described reason it is nearly impossible to find a time slot in a near future which works for everyone. So, most meetings are not only driven by local optimization, but they also fail to have the right people involved to achieve the desired outcome.
In addition, the unwritten rule also says that you are obliged to accept every invitation which your agenda permits. It doesn’t matter how relevant the issue is, and it doesn’t matter how well prepared the meeting is. To escape this trap employees place blockers inside their agendas, which makes the overall problem obviously even worse.
Let’s summarize why conventional ad hoc meetings fail to support the first three (blue) steps of the decision-making process:
Recognize: Meetings are poorly prepared (What is the need?) because of the freedom to invite and obligation to attend
Prioritize: Meetings are driven by local optimization at cost of the whole
Decide: Without the right people involved, the desired outcome of a meeting is hardly achievable
As we learn, freedom for everyone to invite anyone to anything anytime is a bad principle to follow. This game-changing insight is a major building block of the RIPE framework.
Do you also use blockers inside your agenda to protect your time from being stolen by meeting invites?
This is a very common way to protect oneself from the effect of the freedom to invite principle.
However, this local optimization makes the problem worse: Finding a time-slot working for everyone becomes obviously even harder.
As business agility and delivery speed at scale have increasingly become a survival type of capabilities, scaling frameworks started to pop up. Still, none of those has been able to deliver on promise.
Why so? Because they have been heavily influenced by the red kind of thinking. In case you disagree at this point, hold on for a minute. Try to ignore what scaling frameworks have been selling to you and look at what they really come with. Nicely painted pyramids (no boxes but curvy shapes) with fancy names of their nodes and levels. They don’t call it a department but a value stream. They don’t call it a team, but a stream aligned team. They don’t call it decision rights but guard rails. In different words, they are all stuck in the red paradigm of divide and conquer.
The same holds for interaction patterns. The do not call it meetings but events, which does not make them any better. In addition, they also heavily utilize the freedom to invite (chapter Freedom to invite), the biggest enemy to effective interaction (and so to agility) at scale.
The only innovative pattern conventional scaling frameworks have come up with, is a meeting called Big Room Planning or PI Planning. This whole group meeting is obviously another way of how not to solve the problem, because it is an imposed meeting (everybody is supposed to attend) with a poor cost/benefit ratio: The whole organization comes together to stress-guess a plan for the next quarter within two days using two formats:
Whole group presentation
Team breakout Session
Both formats are of course nothing but divide and conquer way of thinking because they copy the pyramid: A whole group presentation matches the entire pyramid whereas team breakout sessions divide people into their boxes. Obviously, both formats are incredibly inappropriate for bringing the right people together to resolve cross-team and cross-level issues efficiently.
Still, organizations around the world stick to the whole group meeting format because they haven’t been advocated a proper interaction pattern yet. If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
What is the organizational cut your company has decided for in order to reduce dependencies?
Maybe you are running value streams, maybe you are using Team Topologies patterns and maybe you have yet another way to divide your org in manageable pieces. However, no matter how your cut goes, you are left with some dependencies.
Just imagine, you would have another org-chart (next to your stable org-chart) which changes its shape every week depending on the particular need for alignment.
Such an on-demand org-chart is what RIPE has been designed for.
It is Wednesday morning, and you find yourself being at a meeting. The meeting leads to nowhere because some key people are not attending. In addition, the meeting is so poorly prepared that even if the right people would have attend, the meeting would hardly reach any outcome. This is annoying to you because you will need to catch up these two lost hours some-when in between other meetings to come. The next time I am going to decline such invitation, pops up in your mind. On the other hand, if I decline some invitation, the gap in my agenda will soon be filled with some other meeting. Probably another one of this kind... You feel helpless.
This system is broken, and a bad system beats a good employee every time as demonstrated above. What it the problem? It is a freedom for everyone to invite anyone to anything anytime. This widespread but still unspoken rule is a sure way to fill the agendas of both most of managers and of most of knowledge workers across the whole organization with tons of (mostly useless) imposed meetings as we explained in the chapter Freedom to invite .
Let's put this into numbers. At RIPE we have designed a formula called Spend on imposed Waste. This formula has the following attributes at input:
Number of full-time equivalents (FTE)
Average hourly rate ($)
Average fraction of time spent in meetings (%)
Average meeting outcome success rate (%)
Note that the aim of each RIPE Session is defined by one or more key questions to answer. If and only if those key questions are fully answered during the respective RIPE Session, the Session has achieved the desired outcome. Think of it exactly as scrum guys do about a Definition of Done.
At the output, our formula gives you an average dollar amount, your organization spends weekly on meetings which don’t reach the desired outcome. Why do we call it Spend on imposed Waste? It is because your system imposes such outcome-less meetings by the above-mentioned rule, we also call the rule of freedom to invite.
Example calculation:
Number of full-time equivalents: 150 FTE
Average hourly rate: $ 120
Average fraction of time spent in meetings: 40%
Average fraction of meetings with the right people involved: 40%
Average fraction of meetings the right people involved and aimed at well prepared and highly relevant Topics: 25%
Thus, an average meeting outcome success rate equals 25%. This is the fraction of meetings where the right people attend to resolve the right Topics (relevant and well prepared).
If you take the total number of meetings and reduce that number to those meetings with the right people involved at each, you arrive at 40%. Next, if you reduce this number even more to those meetings which are properly prepared, you arrive at 25% only. So, it is not only a question of having the right people on board but also a question of being prepared for the conversation. Because, if an issue is too big or too fuzzy, the conversation will probably not yield any serious outcome even if you have the right guys attending.
So, this organization spends $ 288’000 (150 FTE x 8 Hrs. x 5 Days x 40% x $ 120) on meetings weekly. However, only 25% of those meetings achieve the desired outcome. The rest of them is just wasted effort. That means $ 216’000 (75% x $ 288’000) is the total spend on imposed waste.
In case we would also account for opportunity cost and cost of unfulfilled expectations, this amount would be well above of $ 300'000 per week, which makes over $ 16’000’000 yearly.
The $ 16’000’000 is what we call a yearly Spend on imposed Waste. It should be more than obvious that this spend is wasted. Still, this spend cannot be avoided because the respective meetings are imposed by the (broken) system. They simply happen due to freedom to invite (and obligation to attend), no matter if management likes it or not. A bad system beats a good employee every time as Sir William Edwards Demming once stated.
A side note to opportunity cost: If some meetings stop, those employees spend their time on something else. This something else might be a waste too, but it is no longer a Spend on imposed Waste (due to imposed outcome-less meetings). This is where opportunity cost comes to play. However, our formula does not account for that to avoid any kind of soft dollar calculation. The major message however is not the calculation itself but the fact that this spend is imposed by the system and as such it is not under control of any single employee or manager no matter how high in the pyramid. The RIPE framework delivers a management answer to this silent evil.
Summing up, large organizations face a serious challenge when it comes down to an effective interaction at scale (a major prerequisite for agility at scale). Millions of managers and millions of knowledge workers around the world have been suffering from this problem day in day out. The respective spend on imposed waste at the global level is immense and still counting. Even right now, as you are reading these lines millions of knowledge workers and managers are feeling imprisoned in some useless imposed meeting.
Plug in your numbers and see yourself how much of an imposed spend would you avoid just by a introducing a new governance for a cross-cutting interaction.
This move to be implemented is a question of weeks and you earn the outcome with the first RIPE Sprint already.
You don't need any additional tooling or any kind of costly certification and trainings.
Don’t forget to consider the following side-effects:
• Higher level of employee engagement
• Reduced siloed thinking
• Substantially accelerated value flow due to better and faster decisions
Every organization has a physical limit of the number of meetings which can be conducted during a particular day (or during some other period) to have the right people involved at each of them.
We call this number Right People Capacity. In case the actual number of meetings lies above this limit the company is run by a poor decision-making process because of failure to involve the right people. The more the actual number exceeds the Right People Capacity the worse the negative impact:
Decisions are wrong because they are based on false assumptions
Decisions are postponed which hurts the business due to lost opportunities or due to a late response to threats
Decisions are made without involving the people who are impacted by them which obviously leads to push-back and lack of support
For the above reason Right People Capacity is one of the primary constraints of decision-making process. The theory of constraints advocates the following steps for the most efficient use of a constraint:
Identify the Constraint: Locate the bottleneck, or the single most limiting factor, within the system that restricts its overall performance and throughput
Exploit the Constraint: Maximize the efficiency of the identified constraint by ensuring it is always working at its peak performance and is not idle
Subordinate Everything Else to the Constraint: Align all other non-constraint processes and resources to the needs of the constraint, so they support its operations and don't overload it
Elevate the Constraint: Increase the capacity of the constraint, either through investment in new equipment, technology, or other significant means, to improve overall system performance
Repeat the Process: Once a constraint has been elevated, a new one will likely appear, so you should return to Step 1 and start the cycle again to ensure continuous improvement and prevent inertia from becoming a new constraint
Let’s examine how the RIPE framework implements the above steps.
Obviously, the Right People Capacity changes constantly depending on the respective issues to resolve (and decisions to take). This is why nobody can assess or calculate this number in advance. RIPE is rooted in Open Space Technology (OST) framework by Harrison Owen. One of the OST elements is called agenda setting, where “the group figures out what it wants to do”. At RIPE we call it Pitch & plan. The result of this step is a jointly designed agenda of the respective RIPE Sprint. By design this agenda makes sure that every Session during the RIPE sprint will have the right people involved. The resulting number of Sessions equals the Right People Capacity of the sprint. This is the way how RIPE identifies the constraint.
To maximize the Right People Capacity, attendance at a Pitch & plan step is obligatory the entire organization. This makes sure everybody has a chance to opt-in for every Session s/he wants to join. In addition, RIPE Sprint (this might be a particular weekday) is strictly reserved for RIPE Sessions. That means, this agenda-space can only be used for RIPE Sessions. As we pointed out in the previous chapters, one of the reasons to un-efficient meetings is a poor preparation. RIPE framework borrows the idea of definition of ready (DoR) from the scrum framework: Only those Topics which fulfill definition of ready are qualified for a RIPE Sprint. This quality-check is performed upon the Intake step by the role called Host. This is the way how RIPE exploits the constraint.
Every RIPE implementation must be very clear on which kind of issues it covers. That means, which issues are supposed to be handled by RIPE governance. Once a RIPE implementation is rolled out, no meetings are allowed to be invited, and no invitations are allowed to be accepted for issues covered by RIPE. In addition, issues inside the Topic Backlog are prioritized according to the overall corporate priorities. So, every RIPE Sprint is filled with issues which are at the top of the corporate agenda at that time. In case a Session could not resolve the respective Topic, the Topics goes back to the Topic Backlog. Again, an idea borrowed from the Scrum framework, called Definition of Done. Finally, RIPE Sessions are fully authorized to make instant decisions regarding the respective Topics including the rule we call One Space of Authority: Any decision taken during a RIPE Session can only be revised on some future RIPE Session. This is the way how RIPE subordinates everything else to the constraint.
Resolving issues and taking decisions across pyramid is a capability vital to survival in complex environment. However, as we pointed out in early chapters, a decision is worthless unless the respective action (inside the red management system) follows. This leads us to an important lesson: What is the right balance between decision-taking and acting? In other words, what is the right balance between alignment and delivery? Remember, alignment is a prerequisite to efficient delivery, but it is delivery what earns money at the end of the day. So, elevating of the Right People Capacity has some natural limit. This limit is exactly the point where delivery (red management system) becomes a new constraint. Since the RIPE framework makes the Topic Backlog transparent this turning point can be easily spotted inside the Topic Backlog. Remember, Topic Backlog is being collectively filled by the entire organization and repeatedly processed in RIPE Sprints. This way, an organization assess the need for alignment. Once the need gets weaker elevating the constraint doesn’t make sense anymore.
The biggest bottleneck to value flow of large organizations is decision-making process.
Just imagine, you would make sure, any decision on some cross-cutting issues inside your company would take no longer than a week and the process would employ the full collective knowledge of the organization.
This is how RIPE adopters gain their competitive advantage of agility and delivery speed at scale.
The end.